Jack Barnes shows just how ignorant he is by criticizing C36 and it’s basic premise. I’ll go through his silly rant and correct him and AVFM.
According to feminists, prostitution is something that men do to oppress women. Feminists believe that women cannot choose to engage in prostitution because the patriarchy forces them into selling their bodies for money. Basically, feminists view prostitution and sex slaves as the same thing.
It’s not just according to feminists you numbskull. It’s according to women who were sex trafficked into legal brothels all over Canada and the world. Women cannot choose if the only avenue they have is selling their bodies. That’s not a choice. That’s economic force. Forcing women to sexually please men for money is slavery. Not so difficult to grasp.
Sex slavery and sex trafficking are part of the larger problem of human trafficking. We like to think that we live in a society that is free from slavery. To use this situation to advance an ideology is unthinkable to most people.
Typical mansplain. Slavery has existed forever so nothing should be done about it. What an argument.
Both men and women engage in prostitution on both sides of the equation.
Nobody denies that but women are the majority of prostituted women and men are the majority of the buyers.
See, according to feminists, prostitution is a form of “male” violence. Violence has a gender? That’s a topic for another day.
This is where the typical MRA inability to analyze shows its ugly head. Knowing that the majority of buyers are male and knowing what they do to prostituted women is certainly male violence against women. In an unequal world where men hold more socioeconomic power it forces women in a subjugated position. The only way women can make enough money to feed their kids and their families is to sell sex to men. Men are the powerful in this relationship and they enact violence on women’s mind and body. This is male violence against women.
Let’s set aside for a moment the fact that many women who become prostitutes have options and often willingly chose prostitution.
Some do but many do not. Do we sacrifice a certain marginalized set of women for a few who may choose it? Do we think it’s ok as a society to legitimize an act that is inherently male violence against women? Do we allow people to sell organs, limbs? No.
Okay, then shouldn’t we be giving them choices? Shouldn’t feminists be working to set up programs to help these women get education and/or work placement so that they will have more options for employment? And shouldn’t this be accompanied by programs for women who use prostitution to feed their drug addictions? But that’s not what feminists are doing.
Yes feminists are doing that but because you’re so incredibly ignorant you didn’t watch the House or Senate talk to these NGO’s who do precisely this. It doesn’t solve the main problem where men pay money to abuse women sexually.
Then Jack tries to make this ridiculous claim that because some women are sex trafficked by women it somehow shows that this isn’t patriarchal. Or something. It’s incredibly dumb.
Who’s safer: a woman who is working in a brothel with bouncers and security guards or a woman who has to do her business under the cover of darkness and in hiding? Brothels are like strip clubs; they have security to protect their employees from anyone who gets out of line. What if the owner of the brothel is abusive? We already have laws against abusive employers, and since everything is out in the open, reporting him or her is a lot easier and is legal.
You are incredibly dumb. Women are sex trafficked through legal brothels and you admitted a paragraph earlier that some madam sold children. It’s about money, not safety. Brothels are not strip clubs. I can’t believe I have to tell you that. Brothels don’t solve the problem of marginalized aborginal women working in darkness. If we don’t recognize that prostitution allows marginalized women to be beaten, raped, and killed by johns’ and pimps we will never solve the problem which is male violence against women. You are saying that it’s ok that some women will endure those problems instead of saying that ALL women deserve human rights not to be beaten, raped, tortured and murdered because a few women want ‘security’ in a brothel which many times doesn’t actually exist.
They have to hide to do their business and can’t go to the cops, not even if the selling of sex is legal. If a prostitute turns in one of her Johns, word will get around and her clients will disappear.
We don’t want women to be relegated to the violence of johns and pimps and yes if selling is decriminalized they can go to the cops without being charged. The whole point is to get rid of the demand. I’m willing to bet you haven’t studied the relationship between demand and supply in relation to prostitution. Here’s an interview with a German expert on trafficking. He’ll tell you that prostitution and sex trafficking go hand in hand. This is why eliminating prostitution will eliminate this male violence against women.
If a woman in a brothel gets one of her clients thrown out or arrested for being violent or abusive, the brothel will still be able to attract clients like nothing ever happened. Why? Because the guy who got arrested wasn’t arrested for buying sex but for being an asshole.
No dumbass. He’ll go cruise the street and find a desperate woman who he can enact that violence upon.
Brothels also offer better health and safety for both sides. In the U.S., condoms are mandatory, the Johns are examined for physical signs of STDs, and the workers are regularly tested. You can’t get much safer than that.
Citation please? Oh and STD testing in brothels doesn’t work well because you can spread infections during the window of testing. Johns are examined by the prostitute by just looking at his genitals. He wasn’t screened by a health professional. You can get safer than that. No man gets to buy sex and spread disease.
Back into the shadows and the cheap motels the women will go, and more than a few of them will be assaulted, contract diseases, and some will end up dead.
They’re already there because of the demand. Prostitution has been legal in Canada for a long time. The diseases come from the Johns. Many have already ended up dead. No more prostitution. No more prostitution deaths by serial killers. No more raping and beating of women by johns. It’s really simple but you seem so dull.
We have seen that feminist ideas about prostitution are not based in reality.
Except they are and there are plenty of dead, raped, beaten and tortured women to prove it.
These feminists hate men to the point that they are working to pass legislation that would throw other women under the bus just to discriminate against men.
Right there says a lot. Men only care about their erections or that this is manhating. It makes you cry that you can’t buy women because your poor manfeelz. Women will always be thrown under the bus in legalization you doofus that’s why outlawing it completely, well it completely works.
Here are some of the comments by men who would like it that women’s bodies are for sale. Let’s examine how violent they are.
My body, my choice! Nothing wrong with being a slut, don’t slutshame!~Sanguifier
This comment really displayed to me what men think when they buy a woman’s services. They really frame it as if they bought her complete consent.
It’s just that they want the option to be able to withdraw consent at any time of their choosing, perhaps decades later, so they would not want men to have the option of having sex with women whose consent is guaranteed. Prostitution could well be the last “safe sex” for men, and that is the thorn on their sides that needs to be eliminated.~Seele
Feminists can give all the bullshit excuses they want for why the are against legalizing prostitution , but the REAL reason they are against it is b/c if legalized, there will be less sexual assault/violence/rape~John Smith
In usual fashion, feminists have conflated human trafficking with prostitution to make the issue something other than what it really is. The heart of the matter is that feminists resent men’s sexuality, especially in areas where they believe men to have more options than women do.~Malcolm H Johnston
Human trafficking for sexual purposes is absolutely miniscule in developed countries, mostly half males, and what there is of it would be immediately curtailed by legalising prostitution as customers themselves would report suspicious activity to the police. Or just keep a registry of sex workers and check their credentials online on your phone.
Dagda Mor is an idiot.
“Women work as.prostitutes because society gives them no other choice!” Wow, I thought my mother was a nurse, but apparently that’s not possible.~NotoriousPAT
Modern day prostitutes rarely have pimps and research has shown that when they do, it is often a relationship controlled by the prostitute, one that they can walk away from quite easily. The pimp is usually little more than a driver. Prostitutes (other than ones who do it to feed drug habits) are the quintessential strong women. They get to travel, earn more than high level executives, can save money, not go into debt for an education and quickly save enough to move into other lucrative areas that an average worker could never do.~NunyaBidness
Then why aren’t men all over the world outnumbering women in prostitution?
Here’s an MRA commenting on feminism. It’s deliciously ironic, especially since that’s exactly what we’re doing with prostitution.
They resist any and all attempts to call out the way things work or the imbalances and injustices in society, and refuse to acknowledge their privileged status and their actions and attitudes responsible for arresting social progress.~G. Quan
Study of child sex workers in NY found only 14% had a pimp. 14 month study of sex workers in Atlantic City finds only 5% had a pimp. Yes, it’s evil men exploiting the poor women all the way.~WordsIView
He doesn’t know he made an argument for abolishing prostitution.
I hope this make the price go down.~RazedbyWolvz
Only concerned with his dick and how cheap it’ll be to abuse women.
Basically ANYTHING that gives hetero men pleasure is exploitation to feminists.~evilwhitemaleempire
This bill will sure as hell benefit Nevada’s economy.~David Sutton
Yes, the reason why it will is because men, the demand, will flock anywhere where they can buy and abuse women and due to women’s second class status in socioeconomic terms there will always be women around to buy to rape, beat, torture, and murder.
That’s why prostitution is male violence against women.