Aside from the obvious, that MRA’s are men who have the same thinking as men in the 14th century and that they have no place in the modern world, there is another characteristic inherent in them that will eventually lead them to their own end.
More and more men, however slight, are adopting the misogynist rhetoric of the MRM. This is getting apparent to us in the mainstream.
A couple instances that pop out to me: Elliot Rodger and Warhammer, they quite clearly have the same beliefs about women that MRA’s do. Rodger thought he was the supreme gentleman that women should go out with which pairs him with MRA Stefan Molyneux who said women who don’t go out with ‘nice guy’s are going to end the human race. Warhammer beat the shit out of his 100 pound girlfriend and is similar to Paul Elam who claims bashing a violent bitch is not only OK, it’s necessary because women start it. I’m saying it’s incredibly easy to pick out MRA’s and we must teach as many women as possible what to look for and hear so they can avoid them.
The one thing, the main thing, that is going to annihilate MRA’s is themselves through toxic masculinity.
Toxic masculinity has gotten a lot of media attention and sociologists like Michael Kimmel are well versed in this subject. Feminists have theorized for decades that gender is harmful to men.
TM is an analysis of the male gender role: masculinity, and how it’s inherently harming men. Feminists have rightly analyzed and criticized gender roles decades ago. The behaviours required to ‘be a man’ is the precise thing that will end the MRM and all its little factions forever. So how will this take place?
We are getting a good view of it now. Paul Elam is fighting with MGTOW men, a subset of MRA’s. I won’t detail the many differences between the two groups because it doesn’t truly matter. To them, the distinctions are crucial.
The basic difference between the two groups is thus. MGTOW’s are men who completely reject relationships with women. They’ve invented a lexicon of misogynist terms they share in the Manosphere like ‘hypergamy’ which means women are gold diggers. MRA’s do have relationships with women and are even ok with marriage.
The war is over whether MGTOW’s can be married and still be MGTOW. Elam says ‘yes,’ although he claims his common law relationship isn’t marriage. He forgets that common law is marriage without the ceremony. Depending on which state he resides there are time parameters where once you live with a woman for a certain amount of time, you become legally bound to one another.
MGTOW’s like Hambling represent the opposing side which claims that MGTOW and marriage do not mix, even though Hambling also lives with a woman and is also considered common law.
The conflict started at the end of last year and in the last couple months has gotten very loud and open. Elam’s motivations are part dick-wagging and part charlatan. He would hate to lose to this ‘battle’ to his old protege but he also wants MGTOW men to visit his site and give him money. Paul’s site isn’t doing well.
If I had to pick which group I prefer it would be MGTOW’s even though they are more open about hating women, and that’s probably the same reason I like them more. MRA’s try to cleanse their woman hatred by using left leaning rhetoric while being wholly tradtionalist which makes them a laughingstock.
MGTOW’s are beneficial to women because they’re the men who can’t get dates and fear us. They have serious issues and they do us a favour by taking themselves out of the dating scene, refusing to interact with us. They’re drop-outs who started a movement of fellow drop outs so they’d have an identity and company in their wallowing.
Toxic masculinity requires men to think in terms of hierarchy. Men, instead of viewing all as equals, tend to place men above and below them and women always below them, hence the need for women’s liberation. It’s also why we see men call other men alpha’s, beta’s etc. The phrase ‘man up’ wasn’t invented by women even though the Manosphere thinks it was.
Masculinity necessarily negates equality. What men do to women by dominating us and treating us as second-class citizens, they do to other men.
The skirmish between Elam and Hambling is a display of toxic masculinity. One of them has to go because to men, someone has to ‘win.’ I suppose winning involves whoever gets the most upvotes on a YouTube video.
They frame what they’re doing as a ‘war’ and use that rhetoric very liberally. One of them must be put in his place. They’ll fight to the death= when Youtube ratings declare a winner. This is why men are bound to fail in any kind of movement that requires unity which means seeing everyone else as an equal, with equal potential and personhood.
Elam won’t let it rest. Hambling won’t let it rest. They’ve been sparring for weeks with various side actors generously giving their opinion and taking sides.
The problem, and we know this as feminists when we discuss toxic masculinity (gender), is that in men’s minds, someone has to be the Alpha and the someone has to be the Beta.
This is why feminists challenge gender and why we need to raise boys differently.
MRA’s think feminists ‘feminize’ boys. MRA’s encourage traditional masculinity and ironically it’s this very gender role that’s got them in this little pickle. Raising boys to put people in hierarchies of importance inevitably leads them to violence since every boy needs to continually find his place in the hierarchy by starting fights with other boys.
I can hear Tom Golden’s soft-spoken whimper that feminists are keeping boys away from games in school which demand domination and winning. See asshole? See why feminists are correct? You idiots are going to ruin your own silly movement because you’re too busy fighting each other over silly shit.
The MRA concept of ‘white knighting’ relates to toxic masculinity in the sense that MRA’s want men to dehumanize others. Elam accused Hambling of white knighting his girlfriend in arguments on AVFM forums. It’s meant as an insult because men aren’t supposed to help others, especially women. Men are not to see others as human.
I say let the blockheads fight. It provides us feminists entertainment and proves our point about toxic gender roles.
I’m savouring the irony. Feminism has known about men’s issues for a long time and educated feminist mothers have been doing their best to get their boys to stop seeing others as constant rivals. That worldview causes war and isn’t this the same disposability that MRA’s moan about so often?
The faulty belief that women somehow enjoy the hierarchical ‘second place’ and the ‘wars’ that go along with masculinity is an MRA one and by extension, a traditional one. Farrell and Elam, even Hambling, reinforce traditional masculinity but blame it on women by claiming we want it, just like they did when a video highlighting street harassment went viral.
Warren Farrell is the mastermind behind those mental gymnastics. He claims men don’t have any choice or agency because men are sex starved idiots who couldn’t possibly make the decision to play competitive sports because they want to dominate and beat other men. He blames football injuries on cheerleaders.
The very disposability MRA’s screech about is brought about by them, through toxic/traditional masculinity. Feminists aren’t destroying men. Men are destroying men.
Hate to put it to you morons but women and feminists see this hierarchical (let Elam try pronouncing that) posturing and the need to destroy another as silly and ridiculous. We understand the importance of equality and value life and see no need to engage in combat displays to put other women down. We’ve known about gender roles for decades.
I don’t know when this will end but I’m sure they’ll see this and talk about it. It’s useless though since they’ll see this as a feminist solution and will condemn it. Or they might find another way of manipulating the language so it doesn’t sound so feminist but will discuss it all the same.
You know the stereotype of the man who can’t ask for directions? This is a perfect metaphor for the current situation. A man must wander around aimlessly because his masculinity depends on it. He must do it on his own. Cooperation is foreign to him. Equality is foreign to him.
Here’s to watching them wander around aimlessly while feminists have held the map for decades.
Radical feminist mag Trouble and Strife: article about gender. (Go read it MRA’s)