So in honour of PRIDE, Dean Esmay’s written a long, misogynist screed against lesbians called ‘Gays Against Feminism’. Like I said in my last post, A Voice for Men is an outpost for Queer Politics and is only performing the next logical step: complete erasure and hatred of lesbians. You can see that AVFM is overwhelmingly comprised of gay men who worship gender (masculinity) and a vital component of that worship is the hatred of women.
‘Feminists may love dick, gays love masculinity’.~Fatherless AVFM
‘Gay men are what straight men WERE in the glory days of Greece and Rome.’~Narf AVFM
Most of the guys I was talking to basically told me they figured they were gay because the sex was just as pleasurable and “easier to get”.~Jason Wexler AVFM
Dean Esmay thinks gay men were the main actors at Stonewall and that men’s ‘protective instinct’ for women is why Stonewall erupted into a riot. He’s wrong, as he so often is. The lesbian that got hit with a billy club hit the cop back and it was that action that started the riots, not some gay dudes dropping dead to protect a feeble little woman as Dean portrays it.
What an asshat.
Esmay begins with a personal story about him protecting a gay male from another gay male who wanted to kill him. It’s a bit of a homoerotic tale where Esmay romanticizes about ‘cuddling him.’ Esmay places himself as the great protector of gay men and by extension AVFM. Of course Esmay is careful to inject a blatantly false narrative where he claims women are attacking gay men, which is not true.
PBS Frontline examined the homophobic assaults on gay men and all perpetrators were male. I won’t go into detail as to why men attack other men except to say the root cause is gender. Gender is also why lesbians get attacked.
Esmay isn’t content to simply talk about the issues gay men face. He must find a way to bash women:
‘Now absolutely, lesbians would often take horrible harassment and would occasionally be hurt, even killed, and sometimes mutilated like the gay men were. But as a rule, it was gay men–yes, the gay men–who were getting thrown in jail, thrown in mental hospitals, raped by fag bashers (yes, that was and is still a thing), sometimes even castrated, lobotomized, hung, or just plain beat to death. Sometimes, 100% legally. Often by, or at the behest of, women. Not just men.’
Lesbians don’t count because in his mind gay men suffered more. He’s dismissing crimes against lesbians as not that big of a deal. In fact, hate crimes against lesbians are on the rise. The underlying culture of misogyny that Dean perpetuates is the biggest reason why the general public and LGBT orgs place men front and center just like all patriarchal institutions do. Misogyny is also the cause of lesbian and gay hate crimes and also why hate crimes against lesbians aren’t counted by police as such. The worst thing to be as a gay male is ‘like a woman’ and the worst thing to be as a lesbian is the fact you are a woman.  One look at South Africa will educate you.
I follow several lesbians on Twitter and came across a tweet this morning where a judge wouldn’t award custody to the ex wife because she had a lesbian relationship he denounced as ‘man hating.’ Click on the image link to read the screenshot.
Lesbians considered deviants and undeserving – no surprises. https://t.co/PHXGKTmcUA
— Henri (@lesfeminist) June 27, 2015
While gay men hate lesbians because they represent ‘femininity, heterosexual men hate lesbians because they consider a woman in a relationship with another woman as a theft of sexual access that they’re entitled to. This is why lesbians are frequently raped by men. It’s so pervasive that it’s been called ‘corrective rape.’ Gay men rape lesbians too as do MtT. Dean Esmay would be content over at the white nationalist site Stormfront since they’re really obsessed with lesbians too.
Esmay instructs gay men to hate lesbians and all other women. He compares lesbians to Nazis and goes totally off the rails, rewriting Stonewall too. He does a typical men’s rights reversal saying feminists dispose of gay men. If he had a clue he’d realize that it’s men who do the disposing, not women since women are not part of gay men’s lives in any appreciable way except as ‘femininity’ foil to mock and hate in the quest for masculine supremacy.
‘Feminism has always been a movement that treats gay men as disposable. It still is. If you’re a gay man and you refuse to suck feminist dick, there will be consequences. Those consequences can include shunning, harassment, expulsion, job loss, and more. You may even be physically attacked.’~ Dean Esmay AVFM
The above cannot be backed up in any way and Dean doesn’t even attempt to. Notice how he refuses to assign women’s proper genitals to their bodies? This is hatred. He continues on some incoherent rant about racism.
‘And yes, my gay friends, this should be something you remember: feminism is implicitly racist.’
Esmay has a fascination with racism as do other MRA’s. His tweets are loaded with it. He tweets about black men, asian men, hispanic men and says ‘bigot’ an awful lot. You know what they say about someone who is so focused on race. He even includes a tweet by a white gay MRA from AVFM who tells a black woman to ‘shut the fuck up’ on Twitter. Nah, no bigotry there.
— Aeon (@X_Aeon_X) June 26, 2015
If you search lesbian hate on Google you’ll see just how much men hate women who don’t sleep with them. Of course, the typical heterosexual male will ask silly, loaded questions like this one. Here’s another hetero male who actually took the time to write a blog post on how he hates lesbians and uses the excuse that lesbians are all man haters to justify his misogyny. You don’t see heterosexual women pining online how much they want to destroy gay men for not sleeping with them. Julie Bindel exposes a couple men who faked being lesbian to colonize women’s spaces and lives.
Since AVFM is predominately a gay male hangout the comments will inevitably reflect this:
Again, the “LGBT Community” only cares about women and is, deep down at its core, misandric and anti-masculinity. They DETEST masculinity. The men who are members of such group are all women-worshipping feminists or quasi-feminists.
Admittedly some of the MRA homophobes came to Dean’s article:
‘I cannot bear to see men kissing men or women kissing women in public’
‘Even in the best case scenario when they admit that gay men have it worse than lesbians, they still say it’s because men hate women. So since gay men are fucking men (like women) that we are hated for being like women.’
The above paragraph is very interesting because it shows the inherent misogyny of our patriarchal culture. ‘Being like women’ is a cardinal sin to gay men and hetero men because it represents the lowest rung of humanity: female.
One MRA hates the idea of ‘Gay Marriage.’ Who’s the bigot here?
‘It’s a shame the guys just can’t smarten up and tell the cows to go to hell. A state marriage cert will hurt a gay man, just the same as a straight man. Don’t be bloody fools boys, leave this marriage thing alone or you will suffer for it! This money is being used by the feminist lesbians to dominate the narrative for homosexual people throughout the western world and they are running a dual fronted campaign that is exactly the same on both fronts, but with two different names.’
MRA erases lesbians
‘Homosexual men have ALWAYS been the ones who’ve fought and sometimes even given their lives for their right to exist, NOT lesbians/women.’
Bisexual MRA complains women don’t sleep with him:
‘Maybe it’s because bisexual men (like myself) know too well that it’s socially accepable for women to reject bisexual men,’
One guy seems to have figured something out but of course with the wrong conclusion:
‘In my opinion gynocentrism and racism are in a lot of times not inseperable. If you ask a racist why he hates black people so many times he’s answer will be something like: they rape our women etc. Like the Dylan Roof guy.’
Dean Esmay also thinks it’s really some matriarchal lynching mob and not patriarchal ownership of ‘my women’ that kills black men:
‘Forever and ever, “they’re attacking our women!” has been an instant call to action. And if they couldn’t back up the claim that there was an imminent threat? “They treat their women like dirt” has long been a way to direct hate at those other people.’
Another MRA sums up why black men were lynched. Hint: it was really patriarchy
‘Oh yeah, it’s become very common to accuse men of being “entitled to women’s bodies.’
MRA shares the same ideas as Dylann Roof:
‘they rape our women/have no control over animal lusts etc.’
More lesbian hate:
‘Lesbians are always so fucking hostile and fronting how tough they are.’
More hatred of dykes:
‘Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve met a LOT more bull-dykes than pleasant lesbians.’
Even more lesbian hate:
‘Maybe lesbian is Greek for miserable or something.’
Homophobia and gender worshipping:
‘The falsetto voice is the worst part. The limp wrist, the cocked hip, the flagrant weakness, are all tolerable. But that falsetto, coupled with the catty victim attitude, GTFO.’
From a gay male AVFMer:
‘I was gay for twenty years. I visited the bath houses and dark rooms in the meat districts of NYC, LA, Palm Springs. I know what happened there. It was fucking — pure fucking — by men who dared to extend the boundaries of sex:’
‘I am disgusted when I see what feminism has done to gay men.’
‘To one extent, I still think real gay men are a kind of pinnacle. They are the only ones who can enter another body and be entered by another body: to receive the fluid and leave the fluid behind. It is kind of majestic. But then, masculinity is.’
One MRA admits this:
‘but gay male misogyny IS specific to gay men.’
I explained in detail in my last post why AVFM is part of the Queer Movement in selling gender (masculinity) to gay men online. One MRA linked it in the comment section of Dean’s rant. They’re over here reading it, I know they are. My stats have jumped again. The problem with MRA’s, aside from their bigotry, racism, and misogyny, is that they cannot comprehend the theoretical basis behind what they do. The theory has been around for decades and yet MRA’s act like all this is new. We radfems know the theory and can frame what MRA’s do and say. They can’t.
When I read an MRA article I know it’s either a rant about women or a blatant reversal placing white males as the victim. In this case, Dean Esmay places gay men as the victim by pointing at lesbians and saying lesbians don’t matter because we’re women. The underlying socioeconomic and political structures that are the foundation of cultural misogyny are never included in any MRA analysis. Quite simply, they are like one of their favourite idols, Ernest Belford Bax, who was criticized for his misogyny and his inability to theoretically understand the issues, instead opting to go off into abstractions and reversals.
I’ll be doing a post or two on their beloved Bax in the future.
John Stoltenberg talks about gay male misogyny (lecture)