In Honour of PRIDE, A Voice For Men Attacks Lesbians

So in honour of PRIDE, Dean Esmay’s written a long, misogynist screed against lesbians called ‘Gays Against Feminism’. Like I said in my last post,  A Voice for Men is an outpost for Queer Politics and is only performing the next logical step: complete erasure and hatred of lesbians. You can see that AVFM is overwhelmingly comprised of gay men who worship gender (masculinity) and a vital component of that worship is the hatred of women.

‘Feminists may love dick, gays love masculinity’.~Fatherless AVFM

‘Gay men are what straight men WERE in the glory days of Greece and Rome.’~Narf AVFM

Most of the guys I was talking to basically told me they figured they were gay because the sex was just as pleasurable and “easier to get”.~Jason Wexler AVFM

Dean Esmay thinks gay men were the main actors at Stonewall and that men’s ‘protective instinct’ for women is why Stonewall erupted into a riot. He’s wrong, as he so often is. The lesbian that got hit with a billy club hit the cop back and it was that action that started the riots, not some gay dudes dropping dead to protect a feeble little woman as Dean portrays it.

What an asshat.

Esmay begins with a personal story about him protecting a gay male from another gay male who wanted to kill him. It’s a bit of a homoerotic tale where Esmay romanticizes about ‘cuddling him.’ Esmay places himself as the great protector of gay men and by extension AVFM. Of course Esmay is careful to inject a blatantly false narrative where he claims women are attacking gay men, which is not true.

PBS Frontline examined the homophobic assaults on gay men and all perpetrators were male. I won’t go into detail as to why men attack other men except to say the root cause is gender. Gender is also why lesbians get attacked.

Esmay isn’t content to simply talk about the issues gay men face. He must find a way to bash women:

‘Now absolutely, lesbians would often take horrible harassment and would occasionally be hurt, even killed, and sometimes mutilated like the gay men were. But as a rule, it was gay men–yes, the gay men–who were getting thrown in jail, thrown in mental hospitals, raped by fag bashers (yes, that was and is still a thing), sometimes even castrated, lobotomized, hung, or just plain beat to death. Sometimes, 100% legally. Often by, or at the behest of, women. Not just men.’

Lesbians don’t count because in his mind gay men suffered more. He’s dismissing crimes against lesbians as not that big of a deal. In fact, hate crimes against lesbians are on the rise. The underlying culture of misogyny that Dean perpetuates is the biggest reason why the general public and LGBT orgs place men front and center just like all patriarchal institutions do. Misogyny is also the cause of lesbian and gay hate crimes and also why hate crimes against lesbians aren’t counted by police as such. The worst thing to be as a gay male is ‘like a woman’ and the worst thing to be as a lesbian is the fact you are a woman. [1] [2]One look at South Africa will educate you.

I follow several lesbians on Twitter and came across a tweet this morning where a judge wouldn’t award custody to the ex wife because she had a lesbian relationship he denounced as ‘man hating.’ Click on the image link to read the screenshot.

While gay men hate lesbians because they represent ‘femininity, heterosexual men hate lesbians because they consider a woman in a relationship with another woman as a theft of sexual access that they’re entitled to. This is why lesbians are frequently raped by men. It’s so pervasive that it’s been called ‘corrective rape.’ Gay men rape lesbians too as do MtT. Dean Esmay would be content over at the white nationalist site Stormfront since they’re really obsessed with lesbians too.

Esmay instructs gay men to hate lesbians and all other women. He compares lesbians to Nazis and goes totally off the rails, rewriting Stonewall too. He does a typical men’s rights reversal saying feminists dispose of gay men. If he had a clue he’d realize that it’s men who do the disposing, not women since women are not part of gay men’s lives in any appreciable way except as ‘femininity’ foil to mock and hate in the quest for masculine supremacy.

‘Feminism has always been a movement that treats gay men as disposable. It still is. If you’re a gay man and you refuse to suck feminist dick, there will be consequences. Those consequences can include shunning, harassment, expulsion, job loss, and more. You may even be physically attacked.’~ Dean Esmay AVFM

The above cannot be backed up in any way and Dean doesn’t even attempt to. Notice how he refuses to assign women’s proper genitals to their bodies? This is hatred. He continues on some incoherent rant about racism.

‘And yes, my gay friends, this should be something you remember: feminism is implicitly racist.’

Esmay has a fascination with racism as do other MRA’s. His tweets are loaded with it. He tweets about black men, asian men, hispanic men and says ‘bigot’ an awful lot. You know what they say about someone who is so focused on race. He even includes a tweet by a white gay MRA from AVFM who tells a black woman to ‘shut the fuck up’ on Twitter. Nah, no bigotry there.

If you search lesbian hate on Google you’ll see just how much men hate women who don’t sleep with them. Of course, the typical heterosexual male will ask silly, loaded questions like this one. Here’s another hetero male who actually took the time to write a blog post on how he hates lesbians and uses the excuse that lesbians are all man haters to justify his misogyny. You don’t see heterosexual women pining online how much they want to destroy gay men for not sleeping with them. Julie Bindel exposes a couple men who faked being lesbian to colonize women’s spaces and lives.

Since AVFM is predominately a gay male hangout the comments will inevitably reflect this:

Again, the “LGBT Community” only cares about women and is, deep down at its core, misandric and anti-masculinity. They DETEST masculinity. The men who are members of such group are all women-worshipping feminists or quasi-feminists.

Admittedly some of the MRA homophobes came to Dean’s article:

‘I cannot bear to see men kissing men or women kissing women in public’

‘Even in the best case scenario when they admit that gay men have it worse than lesbians, they still say it’s because men hate women. So since gay men are fucking men (like women) that we are hated for being like women.’

The above paragraph is very interesting because it shows the inherent misogyny of our patriarchal culture. ‘Being like women’ is a cardinal sin to gay men and hetero men because it represents the lowest rung of humanity: female.

One MRA hates the idea of ‘Gay Marriage.’ Who’s the bigot here?

‘It’s a shame the guys just can’t smarten up and tell the cows to go to hell. A state marriage cert will hurt a gay man, just the same as a straight man. Don’t be bloody fools boys, leave this marriage thing alone or you will suffer for it! This money is being used by the feminist lesbians to dominate the narrative for homosexual people throughout the western world and they are running a dual fronted campaign that is exactly the same on both fronts, but with two different names.’

MRA erases lesbians

‘Homosexual men have ALWAYS been the ones who’ve fought and sometimes even given their lives for their right to exist, NOT lesbians/women.’

Bisexual MRA complains women don’t sleep with him:

‘Maybe it’s because bisexual men (like myself) know too well that it’s socially accepable for women to reject bisexual men,’

One guy seems to have figured something out but of course with the wrong conclusion:

‘In my opinion gynocentrism and racism are in a lot of times not inseperable. If you ask a racist why he hates black people so many times he’s answer will be something like: they rape our women etc. Like the Dylan Roof guy.’

Dean Esmay also thinks it’s really some matriarchal lynching mob and not patriarchal ownership of ‘my women’ that kills black men:

‘Forever and ever, “they’re attacking our women!” has been an instant call to action. And if they couldn’t back up the claim that there was an imminent threat? “They treat their women like dirt” has long been a way to direct hate at those other people.’

Another MRA sums up why black men were lynched. Hint: it was really patriarchy

‘Oh yeah, it’s become very common to accuse men of being “entitled to women’s bodies.’

MRA shares the same ideas as Dylann Roof:

‘they rape our women/have no control over animal lusts etc.’

More lesbian hate:

‘Lesbians are always so fucking hostile and fronting how tough they are.’

More hatred of dykes:

‘Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve met a LOT more bull-dykes than pleasant lesbians.’

Even more lesbian hate:

‘Maybe lesbian is Greek for miserable or something.’

Homophobia and gender worshipping:

‘The falsetto voice is the worst part. The limp wrist, the cocked hip, the flagrant weakness, are all tolerable. But that falsetto, coupled with the catty victim attitude, GTFO.’

From a gay male AVFMer:

‘I was gay for twenty years. I visited the bath houses and dark rooms in the meat districts of NYC, LA, Palm Springs. I know what happened there. It was fucking — pure fucking — by men who dared to extend the boundaries of sex:’

‘I am disgusted when I see what feminism has done to gay men.’

‘To one extent, I still think real gay men are a kind of pinnacle. They are the only ones who can enter another body and be entered by another body: to receive the fluid and leave the fluid behind. It is kind of majestic. But then, masculinity is.’

One MRA admits this:

‘but gay male misogyny IS specific to gay men.’

I explained in detail in my last post why AVFM is part of the Queer Movement in selling gender (masculinity) to gay men online. One MRA linked it in the comment section of Dean’s rant. They’re over here reading it, I know they are. My stats have jumped again. The problem with MRA’s, aside from their bigotry, racism, and misogyny, is that they cannot comprehend the theoretical basis behind what they do. The theory has been around for decades and yet MRA’s act like all this is new. We radfems know the theory and can frame what MRA’s do and say. They can’t.

When I read an MRA article I know it’s either a rant about women or a blatant reversal placing white males as the victim. In this case, Dean Esmay places gay men as the victim by pointing at lesbians and saying lesbians don’t matter because we’re women. The underlying socioeconomic and political structures that are the foundation of cultural misogyny are never included in any MRA analysis. Quite simply, they are like one of their favourite idols, Ernest Belford Bax, who was criticized for his misogyny and his inability to theoretically understand the issues, instead opting to go off into abstractions and reversals.

I’ll be doing a post or two on their beloved Bax in the future.

John Stoltenberg talks about gay male misogyny (lecture)

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A Voice for Men Aligns With Trans and Pro-Exploitation Lobby Against Meghan Murphy

I took some time today to view the petition to fire/no-platform Meghan Murphy. I was interested in what these people who are calling for the burning of the witch had to say. Their petition tantrum has about 900 signatures.

I’m signing because as a sex worker, I am disgusted that Rabble publishes her garbage. I refuse to even read Rabble anymore because of it.

Meghan Murphy publishes intensely transphobic and sex-worker phobic material that has no place in a feminist publication. You have to do better, Rabble.

Sex work is real work!

Everybody deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.

less terfs more surf

Meghan Murphy’s effect on culture is detrimental to my well-being.

Meghan Murphy and all the other TERFs need to go… this is not what a real feminist looks like.

Meghan Murphy is an embarrassment; a anti-black, transphobic embarrassment.

I’m signing because I am a feminist who believes in and respects all women, including those that Meghan Murphy would malign.

My feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit.

Murphy is a transphobe and a sex work hater and that is no feminist.

A racist, transphobe and anti-sex work rad fem should not have a platform on a “progressive” publication. She actually causes damage and in some cases death to trans women with her hate.

Canadian feminism can do far, far better than someone who is capitalizing on hatred of sex-workers and trans*persons.

The name calling is rife in these comments, as I predicted. Neoliberals are notorious for screaming bad words without an ounce of analysis. I find it odd they think she’s alone in her analysis, as if there aren’t any women who agree with her critiques of the global sex industry, sexual objectification, and transpolitics. I suppose it’s wishful thinking on their part. It should’ve been so easy to take Murphy down, just like MRA’s do.

Currently there are over 1500 signatures on the petition I started to support her. What about the women all over the world who signed in support of her? Are they intersectional enough for you? To think there are no aboriginal, black and Asian women that have signed my petition and stand against the sex industry is very naive. It’s almost as if these people who started this ruckus are more concerned with their own navels.

I can name the organizations right here in Vancouver that represent WoC against the sex industry. Do these fascists live under a rock?

It’s not OK to advocate in opposition to the factual basis of the lived experiences of other people.

It’s time for ALL WOMEN to be accepted, respected, and honored. Period.

Feminism includes all women, not just the women you morally approve of. All women count, not just your favourites.

This is precious. What about my lived experience as a former prostituted woman? What about my experience as a Canadian immigrant? It’s as if these people don’t even think about what’s coming out of their mouths.

Let’s look at some of the comments from men.

I’m signing because exclusionary radical feminism, from which Ms. Murphy not only gets her beliefs but also makes her trade, is a corruption of a social movement which is meant to be powerful and uplifting, especially for those who have been most challenged by our unjust society.

So this dude isn’t happy because he doesn’t feel powerful and uplifted in radical feminism. Oh boohoo, welcome to the women’s movement dude. You’re not supposed to be comfortable. Women aren’t living and breathing to uplift you.

Dehumanization and discrimination against women solely due to their gender status, race, and/or individual consensual sexual preferences, have absolutely NO PLACE on the Left or in feminism.

Except when you’re doing it to her, right dude?

Everybody deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.

Except her, right dude?

These people want their own echo chamber. They’re not willing to respond with research and data. It reminds me of what MRA’s did when they found out they couldn’t put just any old bullshit on Wikipedia. They stomped off in a tantrum and started their own wiki called ‘Wikimannia.’

Let’s also remember what happened when MRA’s in Gamergate got upset with Wikipedia. They attacked a bunch of long standing editors and had them silenced.

This is fascism. Feminism is not about cutting women down who disagree with you. Judging by the hashtag these fascists started on Twitter, they haven’t learned a damn thing. It’s ok to burn the witch if she doesn’t march to your drum beat.

These people could be actually doing something constructive rather than trying to cut a woman down. Since they can’t honestly approach the arguments this is the juvenile tactics they employ. I know all about it. It was done to me for almost 2 years.

In 2009-11 I was bullied by the pro-prostitution lobby, which still happens to me today just on a lesser scale. These people stooped so low as to make up false personas to get the personal information of the handful of feminists who didn’t agree with them. Some of them posted images of me they scoured the net with. They made endless videos. One of them even accused me of making a false rape accusation against a man. They made fun of my body, specifically my vagina. They false flagged my work and took down 2 of my channels. Anything they found of mine online they twisted to suit their needs. I was called every nasty name in the book while they went totally about their bullying. This went on for two years straight.

It drove some of us away. Some of us couldn’t tolerate the constant personal attacks. They used whatever strategy necessary to silence others while holding up the banner of feminism and equality.

I’m a very hearty, determined person but I must say, it got to me. Nobody can be that thick skinned. I was banned from two reddit sites, labeled a transphobe for knowing that males are not females. I was called a racist, a bigot, and all the other labels they could find.

One time I stood up for a woman-only pharmacy here in Vancouver. Women in my community desperately needed it since our reproductive health is a huge issue for us. As soon as the pharmacy opened, it was attacked by transactivists. I wrote a comment to one of these transactivists that politely stated the reasons for women’s health needs. Women who need specialized care due to our biology? TRANSPHOBE!!!!!

Women’s spaces have been few and far between and bitterly gained. The erosion of our voices, spaces and our specific needs are considered ‘transmisogyny’ by those who haven’t lived a day of our experience. This is, in my view, criminal. It’s criminal to dismiss our unique oppression as women.

Lesbians and our allies have had to fight kicking and screaming for a single woman only event, Michfest. Women trying to come together in groups are being no-platformed, gatherings cancelled, our sparse female culture and arts are being destroyed daily. This cannot stand.

The neoliberal insistence upon intersectionality doesn’t apply to women or lesbians. Like good women are supposed to, we are supposed to give up our spaces and voices in order to appease and validate others who have no idea, no conception of our lives. We’re supposed to shrink and get as small as possible in public.

The bottom line is this. Men are not women. If you are born a male you are a male. You are not a female. You do not, and never will experience life as a woman. You can spend money on hormones, surgeries and a huge wardrobe of dresses and makeup but you will never be female. This is a fact. Instead of trying to force a falsehood down our throats like a dick in porn, instead of penetrating our space, make your own. We fought hard for what little we have and you’re not entitled to it.

You’ve shown you don’t respect us at all. You insist we be available to validate you but you constantly erase us. We are different. Intersectionality you say? Oh, it’s only intersectionality for you.

Would you demand to be included in Aboriginal space? African American space?

So why the hell is it ok to demand access to WOMEN ONLY space? Tell me. Why is it ok? Why is it ok to murder female culture?

We will not yield. Women have been yielding since the day we were born. Women aren’t even allowed to be born in some countries.

Your threats of violence only make us more determined. Our voices are growing. Like the men you are you want to kill us off cuz let’s face it, that’s what men have been doing for centuries.

Now, let’s address the fact that A Voice for Men, the largest men’s rights misogynist wank fest, is in bed with y’all.

AVFM published a piece today agreeing that Murphy is a ‘TERF’ witch who should be burned. Male support from all over huh? This is the same AVFM that published a piece today titled ‘Why Is Gynocentrism So Hard to Kill?’ Yes, why are women so hard to kill? A petition and a bunch of accusations should kill any woman.

He encourages his fellow MRA’s to join in bashing her on the hashtag. He’s completely lock step in line with the neoliberal term ‘agency’ even though that argument can be used against MRA’s

I suspect Murphy’s visceral disgust for Cox is that Cox’s agency in becoming an attractive women (surgery, money, diet, exercise, makeup, hair, etc.) is too mannish — in the sense of too active — for Murphy to tolerate:

Of course, Murphy is just jealous of Cox cuz men want to fuck Cox. Great analysis there guys.
Murphy’s views on men and trans folk are wretched but on other issues like censorship she is moderate and reasonable in ways rarely seen in other feminists.
Whatabouttehmenz?!!!!1
The comment section talks about how easy it would be for MRA’s to enter the fray and divide women up, like men have done forever to achieve the silencing. Some trans showed up too, because ya know, men stick together.

I keep trying to tell other transwomen that they’re just being used by feminism. However many of them won’t listen. They think buying into feminism lock stock and barrel will give them the acceptance from women that they crave.
Feminism for now has their TERFs locked up in the basement but even so one or two escape now and then and manage to briefly get their hatred of transwomen heard.

Praise and thanks are due to the writers and commentators at AVfM who have never taken this view.

* I got banned at ROK the second I revealed that I was a ‘tranny.’

How nice. You get banned in the Manosphere but hey, any old misogynist group who wants to destroy women can count you in.

I’d never thought I’d see the day when AVFM teams up with trans and pro-exploitation of women lobby! I’m so SHOCKED!

Sign my petition here.

Petition · Rabble.ca: We Need Meghan Murphy · Change.org